On this “Face the Nation with Margaret Brennan” broadcast, moderated by Margaret Brennan:
- Vice President JD Vance
- Sen. Chris Murphy, Democrat of Connecticut
- Rep. Jim Himes, Democrat of Connecticut
- Badr Abdelatty, Egyptian international minister
Click on here to browse full transcripts from 2025 of “Face the Nation with Margaret Brennan.”
MARGARET BRENNAN: I am Margaret Brennan in Washington.
President Trump prepares to move to Israel, because the deadline to launch the remaining 48 hostages nears. In the meantime, some federal staff will miss paychecks. Others face pink slips, as the federal government shutdown drags on. We are going to speak to Vice President J.D. Vance.
Hopeful Gazans have begun the trek again to their properties, because the cease-fire between Israel and Hamas continues to carry. However the rebuilding and restoration forward is daunting and nonetheless very a lot unsettled. President Trump will be a part of particular envoy Steve Witkoff and son-in-law Jared Kushner within the area as peace talks proceed.
Democrats Chris Murphy and Jim Himes can be right here, along with the vp. And we’ll hear from a key participant within the area on the subsequent a part of the peace course of.
With the shutdown now in its twelfth day, extra federal amenities are going through closure, paychecks are on the verge of being missed, and the Trump administration has begun sending discount in drive notices to some federal staff.
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DONALD TRUMP (President of the USA): Properly, these are largely those that the Democrats need. Lots of them can be fired.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: It is all simply forward on Face the Nation.
Good morning, and welcome to Face the Nation.
We start at this time with Vice President J.D. Vance, who joins us from Cincinnati this morning.
Good morning to you, Mr. Vice President.
J.D. VANCE (Vice President of the USA): Good morning, Margaret. Thanks for having me.
MARGARET BRENNAN: We’re getting very near that 72-hour deadline for the hostage launch. I believe the world is holding its breath right here. Is the administration seeing indicators that Hamas and Israel are complying with all the things they should and that this can go forward?
VICE PRESIDENT J.D. VANCE: Sure, Margaret, so knock on wooden, however we really feel very assured the hostages can be launched, and that the president is definitely touring to the Center East probably this night so as to meet them and greet them in individual.
It is a massive day for his or her households, however I believe, extra importantly, it is a massive day for all the world. Now, the president of the USA stated to his complete diplomatic workforce, particularly Marco Rubio, Steve Witkoff and Jared Kushner, to go and get a deal achieved, to cease the warfare in Gaza, to start to rebuild Gaza so the inhabitants might dwell there in peace and prosperity, to really remove the specter of terrorism to our buddies in Israel – which may be very, crucial, and in addition to deliver the hostages house alive.
It was a really tall activity. He pursued a really nontraditional diplomacy with individuals who weren’t 40-year diplomats, however individuals who introduced a contemporary perspective to it. And, after all, the president was criticized for it. The diplomatic workforce was criticized for it.
However I believe that, as a result of he selected a distinct pathway, he did not simply do what everyone else prior to now had achieved, we are actually on the cusp of a sustainable peace within the Center East. It is an incredible second.
MARGARET BRENNAN: These are some very formidable plans in section two particularly of this deal.
Let me ask you about a number of the particulars, as a result of the administration has pledged about 200 U.S. troops from Central Command to be a part of implementing this deal. They are not going to be in Gaza, however how lengthy will they be concerned right here?
And, extra broadly, is the Trump administration absolutely dedicated to holding the strain on? As a result of these belongings you simply talked about aren’t going to occur in a single day when it comes to dismantling Hamas and constructing in the direction of a steady Gaza.
VICE PRESIDENT J.D. VANCE: You are precisely proper, Margaret.
It’ll take constant leverage and constant strain from the president of the USA on down. I do know the president may be very dedicated to doing that.
However you requested concerning the 200 troops from Central Command. I believe you place it precisely. These aren’t troops who’re going to be put in Gaza, however they’re troops who’re already at Central Command. They have been at that base for a lot of, a few years, and they are going to assist monitor and mediate this peace. Inevitably, there are going to be conflicts right here.
There are going to be issues that the individuals in Gaza disagree with Israel about, that the Israelis disagree with the Gulf Arab states about. We see our function actually as mediating a few of these disputes and making certain that the strain stays on everyone to attain a sturdy and lasting peace.
One of many underreported parts of this deal, Margaret, is that the president satisfied all the Muslim world actually, each the Gulf Arab states, however as far in Southeast Asia as Indonesia, to actually step up and supply floor troops in order that Gaza might be secured in security.
And that truly makes it attainable to rebuild. It makes it attainable to dismantle these terrorist networks. It makes it attainable to make sure that lasting peace that every one of us care a lot about. So we expect that the Arab international locations, the Muslim-majority international locations, are going to step up in an enormous method with troops on the bottom.
We will proceed to play our mediation function. And I believe that is a really, excellent place for all of us to be. It has been profitable to this point, and, after all, we will work to make it as profitable all over as we will.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Massive image, although, in the case of American safety, you stated again in July that you simply’d seen what you referred to as heartbreaking pictures of little youngsters who’re clearly ravenous to loss of life in Gaza and that – quote – “Israel’s received to do extra to let that help in.”
Are you involved that even when, God prepared, this warfare ends, America’s safety has been endangered by this notion that America has been OK with Israel and in assist of it, regardless of conduct that clearly you and the president did not agree with?
VICE PRESIDENT J.D. VANCE: Properly, look, because the president stated, you need to keep in mind, the warfare began due to a brutal terrorist assault on Israeli soil, and we have been laser-focused on eliminating the terrorist risk to the Israelis, whereas additionally making certain that the harmless individuals in Gaza get the mandatory humanitarian help.
That is a tough stability to strike. However I believe for those who have a look at the dancing on the street in Gaza, for those who have a look at the best way that the Gulf Arab states, actually all the Muslim world, but in addition you have a look at how the Israelis responded, they have been cheering on the point out of President Trump’s title yesterday in an enormous rally in Israel, that is a kind of peace offers the place Muslims and Jews and Christians all appear unified that it is a actually good factor for the world.
It is a actually good factor for humanity, and it occurred due to President Trump’s management. So I really assume this peace deal will make us safer. I am certain they are going to be some arduous emotions from the final couple of years of warfare. There all the time are. But when we will construct a sustainable peace, Margaret, I’m 100% certain Individuals can be safer due to it.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Let me ask you about what’s taking place right here at house, or maybe not taking place, in the case of negotiations to reopen the federal government.
There have been greater than 4,000 layoff notices, referred to as RIFs, or discount in drive, bulletins, that went out Friday to employees throughout seven completely different businesses, together with Treasury and Well being and Human Providers. Take a take heed to how the president described this.
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DONALD TRUMP (President of the USA): We’ll be chopping some highly regarded Democrat applications that are not in style with Republicans, frankly, as a result of that is the best way it really works. They wished to do that, so we’ll give them a bit of style of their very own drugs.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: How are you deciding who will get laid off?
VICE PRESIDENT J.D. VANCE: Properly, the principle factor that we’re centered on, Margaret, is making certain important providers stay open.
And, clearly, in a authorities shutdown, we’ve restricted funds to work with, as a result of the appropriations that maintain the federal government working haven’t been made. That is due to Chuck Schumer and the Democrats. So we’re attempting to do all the things that we will to make sure that low-income ladies and youngsters get the meals providers that they want.
We’re attempting to ensure that we pay our troops, as a result of that issues for nationwide safety. We additionally need our individuals to get their paychecks. That is the place we have been centered. And, sadly, what that does imply Margaret is that some federal bureaucrats are going to should get laid off. This isn’t a scenario that we’re enthusiastic about.
We wish the federal government to reopen, however Chuck Schumer and the Democrats determined to close down the federal government, and we’ve to cope with the implications within the administration, so that is what we’re doing.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Properly, these aren’t furloughs. These are notifications of being laid off, of shedding their jobs. That is why it is a bit of completely different this time.
And particularly in the case of what’s taking place throughout the well being sector, CBS did affirm on Saturday that the Trump administration went and rescinded a number of the layoffs of lots of of CDC scientists who have been mistakenly laid off on Friday, after which instructed Saturday that is not the case.
However a few of them have been concerned with the federal measles response. A few of them have been concerned with the response on Ebola. How does a mistake like this occur? Did the White Home even speak to the CDC?
VICE PRESIDENT J.D. VANCE: Properly, so – so two – two responses to that, Margaret.
To begin with, I wish to guarantee the American those that the frontline well being care employees, the individuals who monitor measles, Ebola and different infectious illnesses, these persons are nonetheless on the job, and we’re attempting very arduous to determine how to make sure these individuals get a paycheck, after all, as a result of we wish them to be joyful and wholesome. We wish them to have the ability to do their jobs nicely.
However the second level, Margaret, is, the federal government shutdown inevitably results in some chaos. We’re determining tips on how to take cash from some areas and provides it to different areas. That chaos is as a result of Schumer and the far left Democrats shut down the federal government.
We have now to recollect, Margaret, that the overwhelming majority of Republicans and – and, to their nice credit score, a lot of reasonable Democrats have persistently voted to reopen the federal government. But when Chuck Schumer and the far left Senate Democrats are going to close down the federal government, that’s going to result in some chaos.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Sure.
VICE PRESIDENT J.D. VANCE: So, you ask, how does this error occur? It occurred as a result of Chuck Schumer shut down the federal government, and we’re attempting to ensure that important providers nonetheless operate within the face of that shutdown.
MARGARET BRENNAN: However that was a White Home resolution to put off these people. You heard the president speaking about that. That – that wasn’t Chuck Schumer’s resolution. I perceive your broader level on the negotiations, however the layoffs got here from the president and the White Home.
VICE PRESIDENT J.D. VANCE: However my level is, Margaret, that we’ve to do layoffs as a result of we’ve to protect crucial assets to do probably the most vital issues that the federal government does.
And, in that section, you are going to have some chaos. You are going to lay off individuals, frankly, Margaret, that the White Home would not wish to lay off. We wish to reopen the federal government and make sure the important – important providers keep on.
However, sadly, in an surroundings the place we’re coping with restricted assets, the place the federal government is shut down, we have to maneuver some issues round. And in that transferring issues round, there’s some chaos, there’s some unpredictability, however we’re attempting to do all the things that we will with the – the hand of playing cards that Chuck Schumer and the Democrats have dealt us.
That is our solemn promise, and that is our responsibility to the American individuals, however there’s going to be chaos. That is why we wish to open the federal government. That is why we wish the Democrats to just accept that the federal government ought to be open.
MARGARET BRENNAN: However are you assured that these job cuts are authorized, that these reductions in drive throughout a shutdown are going to resist authorized scrutiny, provided that some unions are saying it is a violation of the Antideficiency Act?
VICE PRESIDENT J.D. VANCE: Properly, we’re assured, Margaret.
After all, we all the time observe the regulation, and we all the time observe court docket circumstances, and we expect that we’ve the authority to do what we have to do. I am certain that some individuals will sue, and that can get found out in court docket. However the actuality is, we’ve to recollect, why are we on this scenario, Margaret?
All these conversations about whether or not it is a non permanent layoff or a everlasting layoff, we’re coping with a horrible, chaotic scenario as a result of Chuck Schumer and some far left Democrats determined to close down the federal government.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Sure.
VICE PRESIDENT J.D. VANCE: If they only joined with the reasonable Democrats and the overwhelming majority of Republicans, we will open up the federal government, and all of those conversations will now not be crucial.
MARGARET BRENNAN: After I pressed Chief Schumer on this program simply final Sunday about this, about reopening the federal government, he stated it may take getting everybody in the identical room with the president of the USA.
Solely the 5 individuals, together with the president, he stated, can resolve it. Why would not the president insist that lawmakers come again to Washington, sit with him and speak this by means of?
VICE PRESIDENT J.D. VANCE: Properly, as Chuck Schumer stated, it is not all lawmakers. It is the Senate management that actually is driving the shutdown. The Home has already handed a invoice to reopen the federal government. It is the Senate and, once more, it is a far left type of contingent of Senate Democrats who’re holding the federal government shut down.
MARGARET BRENNAN: However the president says he is a dealmaker. Why would not he drive a deal right here? Why would not he inform Republicans, just like the speaker, get your lawmakers again right here, come into my workplace, let’s hammer this factor out?
VICE PRESIDENT J.D. VANCE: Margaret, it is a completely honest query, and the reply is, as a result of this is not a dealmaking. This is not a negotiation. That is hostage-taking.
Chuck Schumer has not stated to us, that is what we want. He stated that, until you give us what we want, we will shut down the federal government. That could be a completely completely different factor. If Chuck Schumer needs to come back into the Oval Workplace or come to my home, he’s welcome to speak about tips on how to repair well being care coverage for Individuals.
After all we wish to decrease insurance coverage premiums. We wish to ensure that the skyrocketing well being care prices of the Biden administration begin to stage off and hopefully come down. That is one dialog. However you do not come into the Oval Workplace and say, until you, the president of the USA, give us all the things that I need, I will shut down the federal government. I will deny low-income ladies and youngsters their meals advantages. I am not going to pay the troops.
That’s what Chuck Schumer has put us within the scenario of doing. We do not negotiate with an individual who has taken all the federal authorities hostage over a well being care coverage dispute. And I believe that fundamental precept – you noticed Barack Obama say this to Ted Cruz and a lot of Republicans.
We wish to discuss well being care coverage, however we’re not going to close down the federal government over this. That is all that Donald Trump is now saying to Chuck Schumer and the far left Democrats. We’re not going to barter over opening the federal government. We’ll negotiate on well being care coverage, however solely when you do your job and open up the individuals’s authorities.
MARGARET BRENNAN: OK, only a fast observe there, although. What’s your imaginative and prescient for that well being care coverage? Would you like these tax credit to fade out over time, prolong them after which fade them out? Are you open to creating them everlasting?
VICE PRESIDENT J.D. VANCE: Properly, the tax credit go to some individuals deservedly. And we expect the tax credit really go to loads of waste and fraud throughout the insurance coverage trade. So we wish to ensure that the tax credit go to the individuals who want them.
We additionally assume that Obamacare gave the medical insurance trade loads of ridiculous laws that, if we reduce out, we might give individuals entry to higher well being care at a decrease value. That is what we’re engaged on. And, once more, I believe there’s loads of settlement, really, Margaret.
That is the loopy factor about this. There’s loads of willingness to barter, loads of willingness to compromise from each the reasonable Democrats and positively from the White Home. But when the far left Democrats led by Chuck Schumer are going to close down the federal government and refuse to open up the federal government until they get all the things they need, that is not a negotiation. That is a hostage-taking, and we’re not going to reward that type of habits from Washington, D.C.
MARGARET BRENNAN: All proper, Mr. Vice President, thanks on your time this morning.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: We flip now to the international minister of Egypt, Dr. Badr Abdelatty. And he joins U.S. this morning from Cairo.
Welcome to Face the Nation.
DR. BADR ABDELATTY (Egyptian Minister of International Affairs): Good to be with you, Margaret. Thanks a lot for internet hosting me.
MARGARET BRENNAN: So, President Trump is headed to Egypt. I do know he can be assembly with President El-Sisi tomorrow in Sharm el-Sheikh to debate this settlement about Gaza.
However all the things appears depending on this hostage launch and the conclusion of section one. From what and listen to from Hamas, will these hostages be launched within the subsequent 24 hours?
FOREIGN MINISTER DR. BADR ABDELATTY: Properly, we’re assured that the primary section of the Trump peace plan can be carried out, can be honored by all components issues.
And we’re transferring forward. We’re very hopeful that the primary section can be accomplished in all honesty from the 2 events. And we’re in full contact with the Palestinians, with the Hamas, as a result of it is all about, after all, releasing the hostages and, for Israel, releasing a number of the Palestinian detainees, returning again some – I imply, the our bodies of the – those that handed away.
However that can take time to gather the stays, after all, and to permit the movement of all humanitarian help to Gaza with out impediments so as to cope with present famine and hunger in Gaza.
MARGARET BRENNAN: So, the vp, who you simply heard, stated that President Trump has satisfied a lot of international locations to supply floor troops to enter Gaza. Will Egypt be sending floor troops into Gaza?
FOREIGN MINISTER DR. BADR ABDELATTY: Properly, a part of the deal is, after all, the difficulty of safety association. And we’re engaged on completely different ranges.
To begin with, there are some Palestinians in Gaza. They are going to be skilled and be deployed in Gaza. We’re within the course of now, as we communicate, offering coaching and coordination with Jordan to coach as much as 5,000 Palestinians to be deployed in Gaza as nicely.
Deployment of worldwide drive is on the desk. We’re supporting this concept, after all. And there are some international locations expressed their readiness to deploy forces to contribute with the forces on the bottom. And we’ve to work now on going to the Safety Council, after all, to endorse the proposal, in addition to defining…
MARGARET BRENNAN: So…
FOREIGN MINISTER DR. BADR ABDELATTY: … the principle mandate of those troops on the bottom.
MARGARET BRENNAN: However the chief of Indonesia is already dedicated to twenty,000 troops. Is Egypt going to commit troops? Do you have got a quantity?
FOREIGN MINISTER DR. BADR ABDELATTY: We’re. We’re going to assist and to commit troops inside particular parameters.
MARGARET BRENNAN: OK.
FOREIGN MINISTER DR. BADR ABDELATTY: As I discussed, we will need to have a mandate by the Safety Council to endorse it and, after all, to specify the mission of the troops on the bottom, which can be peacekeeping, and tips on how to present coaching to the Palestinian policemen so as to do their job, to have regulation enforcement on the bottom, and, after all, to outline the entire mission…
MARGARET BRENNAN: Sure.
FOREIGN MINISTER DR. BADR ABDELATTY: … and for the way lengthy, as a result of it is going to be a transitional one, so as to assist the Palestinians to imagine their full duties and to – till we’ve the belief of the Palestinian state on the bottom.
MARGARET BRENNAN: You might be committing there to a Palestinian state. The president of the USA has given a bit extra imprecise language.
And once I pressed the secretary of state on this level simply final weekend, he stated that is far off sooner or later. How lengthy do you assume it may take earlier than Palestinians are ruling Gaza and that we’ll see a state?
FOREIGN MINISTER DR. BADR ABDELATTY: Properly, what’s very pressing now’s, after all, ending this warfare on the harmless civilians in Gaza, present as a lot as – meals and drugs to the individuals there.
After which we’ve to maneuver ahead with regard to the early restoration and the reconstructions of Gaza, and, after all, speaking about points associated to the governance and the safety association in Gaza.
And, after all, from our standpoint, the endgame, the ultimate complete resolution would be the realization of the Palestinian state, as a result of, with out that, we’re assured by means of – we’ve to attract classes from the previous that, with out fixing the Palestinian trigger, which is the core of the battle within the area, with out respecting the reputable aspirations…
MARGARET BRENNAN: Sure.
FOREIGN MINISTER DR. BADR ABDELATTY: … of the Palestinians to have their very own statehood, there is no such thing as a peace and stability within the area.
And the Trump peace plan, it refers back to the statehood. And, after all, 144 international locations voted in favor of…
MARGARET BRENNAN: Sure.
FOREIGN MINISTER DR. BADR ABDELATTY: … the two-state resolution in New York not too long ago.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Proper.
FOREIGN MINISTER DR. BADR ABDELATTY: So, that is the sport on the town.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Properly, it – once more, that is going to seemingly take loads of time.
I wish to return to the query of safety, as a result of it’s important for rebuilding, and share with you a few of what the United Nations estimates right here. The U.N. says 92 p.c of housing models in Gaza are destroyed or broken. Virtually 92 p.c of faculties would require full reconstruction or rehab; 77 p.c of the overall highway community has been broken; 86 p.c of complete cropland is destroyed.
How a lot is that this going to value, and the place is that this cash coming from?
FOREIGN MINISTER DR. BADR ABDELATTY: Properly, initially, we’ve full confidence on the management of President Trump and his imaginative and prescient for peace.
He is the one one who is succesful to finish the warfare and to open a brand new chapter within the Center East, a chapter of hope, of prosperity and peace for all peoples, together with, after all, the Israeli individuals, the Palestinians and all peoples in our area. So we’re very appreciative, who’re commending his management, and we’re in full assist of his imaginative and prescient and his management.
That is one.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Properly…
FOREIGN MINISTER DR. BADR ABDELATTY: Quantity two, we’re working very arduous now with regard to convening a world convention in cooperation between Egypt and the USA, in addition to with loads of companions, together with Germany, European Union, France…
MARGARET BRENNAN: Proper.
FOREIGN MINISTER DR. BADR ABDELATTY: … Italy, Spain, Qatar, Gulf Cooperation Council, Japan. All people is standing able to take part on this convention for the reconstruction and redevelopment of Gaza.
Will probably be a merge between the Arab and Islamic plan for the reconstruction and the Trump peace plan.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Sure. OK.
FOREIGN MINISTER DR. BADR ABDELATTY: So, I met at this time with…
MARGARET BRENNAN: Properly…
FOREIGN MINISTER DR. BADR ABDELATTY: … the deputy secretary-general for humanitarian affairs of the United Nations, Tom Fletcher.
MARGARET BRENNAN: OK.
FOREIGN MINISTER DR. BADR ABDELATTY: And we’re working very arduous now for having a ultimate evaluation report on the…
MARGARET BRENNAN: OK. I will…
FOREIGN MINISTER DR. BADR ABDELATTY: Hi there?
MARGARET BRENNAN: Properly, we’ll look – we’ll search for that quantity to be launched sooner or later.
Mr. International Minister, I’ve to depart it there for now. Good luck with the convention.
We can be proper again.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: Make sure to tune in tomorrow to our CBS Information protection of the Israel hostage launch. CBS Mornings co-host Tony Dokoupil will report dwell from Israel.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: And welcome again to “FACE THE NATION.”
There are 200 U.S. troops going to Israel to assist coordinate the Israel/Hamas ceasefire. They’ve begun arriving forward of tomorrow’s anticipated hostage launch. Our Debora Patta experiences now from east Jerusalem.
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DEBORA PATTA (voice over): Greater than 400,000 Israelis crammed into Hostage Sq. final night time.
STEVE WITKOFF (U.S. Particular Envoy to the Center East): To the hostages themselves, our brothers and sisters, you might be coming house.
DEBORA PATTA (voice over): A hero’s welcome from Center East Envoy Steve Witkoff, flanked by President Trump’s son-in-law Jared Kushner.
STEVE WITKOFF: To Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu –
CROWD: Boo.
STEVE WITKOFF: However Witkoff was by no means going to persuade a crowd, who’ve lived by means of heartbreak, despair, and rage, and accused Prime Minister Netanyahu of abandoning hostages in Gaza.
Retired Basic Israel Zif (ph), who rushed to avoid wasting lives throughout the October 7 Hamas assault, believes this deal might have been sealed over a 12 months in the past.
GENERAL ISRAEL ZIF (ph), (Retired): It is late. The prices have been, nicely, very excessive, internally and externally. I believe that politically the Israel misplaced their title (ph) within the warfare as a result of we went perhaps too far in Gaza. I believe the assault in Doha (ph) was additionally, , one step an excessive amount of. However, ultimately, it introduced a minimum of the President Trump to made the proper resolution to cease the warfare.
DEBORA PATTA (voice over): The ceasefire remains to be holding. Forty=eight hostages, residing and useless, can be exchanged for 250 Palestinian prisoners serving life sentences and 1,700 detained since October, 2023. The deadline is Monday. As Israeli troops withdrew to an agreed upon line inside Gaza, lots of of 1000’s of Palestinians began the lengthy stroll house. Virtually all the inhabitants has been displaced.
MAN: I imply we benefit from the second proper now, and – and personally I am going house even if it might be a pile of garbage (ph).
DEBORA PATTA (voice over): Though properties, unrecognizable for therefore many, Palestinians are determined t reclaim reminiscences of life earlier than the warfare.
“I’ll simply dwell in a tent close to the rubble of my house,” stated Oma Hamid Somwar (ph), “till I can discover a resolution.”
The ache of loss is in every single place. Greater than 67,000 individuals have been killed, in response to Gaza’s well being ministry. And minds, too, have been shattered by this warfare. Fourteen-year-old Kareem (ph) was so traumatized, he could not keep in mind the place he as soon as lived.
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DEBORA PATTA (on digicam): Now, UNICEF Says they’ve by no means identified a spot the place each single little one wants psychological assist.
Margaret.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Deb, that’s simply arduous to listen to. For many who are elevating their hopes of what is likely to be taking place within the subsequent 24 hours, what have you ever discovered about how this launch will occur?
DEBORA PATTA: Margaret, Israeli officers say they anticipate the 20 residing hostages to all be launched early tomorrow morning. They will be pushed to an Israeli navy base and reunited with their households earlier than being taken to hospital.
The Purple Cross may even hand over all of the our bodies that may be situated of family members killed in captivity. And in alternate, Palestinian prisoners can be ready in buses. They may solely be launched as soon as the hostages have crossed over into Israel.
And now this would possibly simply be the simplest half, as a result of then talks will happen round thornier points like Hamas disarmament and governance of a post-war Gaza.
And, after all, we all know, President Trump arrives in Israel tomorrow the place he’ll be met by Prime Minister Netanyahu. After which he addresses the Knesset, Israel’s parliament.
Margaret.
MARGARET BRENNAN: And – and as you stated, then the arduous work begins.
Deb Patta, on the bottom for us, thanks.
And we’re joined now right here in studio by Connecticut Democrat Senator Chris Murphy.
Thanks for being with us.
SENATOR CHRIS MURPHY (D-CT): After all.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Simply on this matter. I do know you have got loads of variations with the president, however on this, is that this a transparent win?
SENATOR CHRIS MURPHY: Properly, it is actually essential that we’ve a ceasefire. It is essential that these hostages are coming house. And I congratulate the negotiators on getting this achieved. There’s – there is no politics about this second, as you are going to see some very tearful reunions tomorrow, hopefully, as these hostages are launched.
However you watch these devastating pictures of what Gaza seems like at this time, and it is each heartbreaking and infuriating that this deal has been on the desk for over a 12 months, and it has been Benjamin Netanyahu, due to his political concerns, domestically, attempting to guard himself, has pissed off the flexibility to search out peace and to get the hostages house far earlier than at this time.
So, once more, this can be a very good week. However as you have got reported, there are massive points to come back. Israel just isn’t absolutely pulling out of Gaza. There is not any clear path ahead on what the safety and governance drive goes to seem like inside that nation. There is definitely a danger of hostilities start once more if we do not construct on this primary section and are available to some selections about what Gaza seems like heading into subsequent 12 months.
MARGARET BRENNAN: And President Biden wasn’t prepared to place this sort of strain on Benjamin Netanyahu. President Trump has. Your level is, that is received to be sustained strain to see this all over. Am I understanding you?
SENATOR CHRIS MURPHY: Sure. Sure.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Sure.
SENATOR CHRIS MURPHY: I imply, hear, I believe the barrier right here has been Netanyahu. And Netanyahu is simply going to maneuver if he thinks that his relationship with the USA is in danger. And so clearly, the strain goes to should proceed to be sturdy and fixed.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Now, let me ask you concerning the different diplomacy that should occur simply up the road, frankly. You’ve got referred to as on Democrats to stiffen their spines, to face as much as the president of the USA. At what level, although, does this ache develop into an excessive amount of when it comes to the price of the shutdown, and when are Democrats going to indicate some flexibility on this?
SENATOR CHRIS MURPHY: Properly, I listened to the vp, and he is simply not residing in actuality. The very fact –
MARGARET BRENNAN: What do you imply?
SENATOR CHRIS MURPHY: Properly, as a result of there is no negotiations taking place proper now as a result of Republicans are boycotting these negotiations. They’re boycotting negotiations to reopen the federal government as a result of they’re determined to boost premiums on individuals on this nation by 75 p.c so as to finance their tax reduce for the rich. Their solely precedence is defending the billionaire class and the company class.
The opposite cause the Home of Representatives is not on the town proper now attempting to reopen the federal government, as a result of they’re about to have sufficient votes to go a decision mandating the discharge of the Epstein information.
So, J.D. Vance and Donald Trump’s primary precedence is defending billionaires, defending companies, and elevating premiums, elevating healthcare prices by 75 p.c on Americans.
So, sure, I believe that Democrats ought to say, if you would like our votes for a price range, it may well’t be a corrupt price range. It could’t be a price range that’s going to devastate the lives of center class households on this nation so as to defend and reward billionaires. That is a reasonably affordable request.
MARGARET BRENNAN: You are speaking concerning the premiums that can improve a median of about $1,000, I consider, for many who are utilizing a few of these well being care applications by means of the federal government?
SENATOR CHRIS MURPHY: Properly, that is the common. However in Connecticut, some households will see a $25,000 improve in premiums. And once more, so as to afford a $270,000 tax reduce for the richest households on this nation.
MARGARET BRENNAN: As a result of additionally it wasn’t handled earlier when Democrats have been in management right here.
However you – however you probably did hear the vp say, when it got here to healthcare, “the administration is open to a dialogue. We wish to decrease insurance coverage premiums.” That was a quote there. Did you hear any likelihood of a gap?
SENATOR CHRIS MURPHY: I imply, there are not any negotiations taking place, largely as a result of the Home of Representatives is not even right here.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Proper.
SENATOR CHRIS MURPHY: They have been on an unprecedented five-week recess as a result of they don’t wish to danger their billionaire tax reduce. And so they additionally do not wish to speak concerning the president’s lawlessness. I imply, that is the opposite factor that we’ve to speak about on this price range. If we will fund this administration, we have to fund an administration that’s taking note of a regulation.
I might be a sucker, Margaret, to vote for a price range that permits the president to then go and spend cash solely in states which might be run by Republicans and spend no cash in states which might be run by Democrats.
MARGARET BRENNAN: However that is simply the seven-week deal that we’re speaking about at this level. The – the short-term funding.
SENATOR CHRIS MURPHY: Appropriate. The lengthy – proper, the long-term price range that we go –
MARGARET BRENNAN: Proper.
SENATOR CHRIS MURPHY: In the end has to require that the president not interact in mass-scale corruption. However a short-term settlement, , definitely just isn’t going to repair all the issues that exist proper now in the best way the president is working the nation.
MARGARET BRENNAN: However you have got been vital prior to now of the tactic of selecting to close down the federal government. You have been in 2018. You have been again in 2013, when it was a dialogue over healthcare. That is what you stated in 2018.
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SENATOR CHRIS MURPHY: The way forward for the American healthcare system was a reputable public coverage concern, as is the safety of our borders. However we should not be having the dialogue amidst a authorities shutdown and attempting to make use of our nation’s safety and all of those federal employees and the work that they do as hostages.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: Aren’t you doing at this time precisely what you have been criticizing then?
SENATOR CHRIS MURPHY: No. That was a combat over type of the long-term construction of the American healthcare system. That is an emergency. In a couple of month, premiums are going to go up by individuals by 75 p.c. And we’ve to decide of whether or not this price range goes to permit for that occur – to occur or to cease it.
What is going on in Chicago proper now’s an emergency. What is going on on the FCC as they attempt to shut down free speech on this nation is an emergency. So, we’ve a duty on this upcoming price range to forestall catastrophe for households whose premiums are going to – about to go up, and to deal with the destruction of our democracy and the rule of regulation that is taking place throughout this nation. These are pressing issues.
MARGARET BRENNAN: However you don’t – you don’t belief that for those who vote to open the federal government after which have a separate dialog about healthcare, that there can be any follow-through?
SENATOR CHRIS MURPHY: Completely not.
MARGARET BRENNAN: As a result of that’s what the vp was arguing right here, that it is like, Democrats aren’t even saying what it’s they wish to negotiate over.
SENATOR CHRIS MURPHY: No, you – you can’t belief this administration. And I believe it is essential to do not forget that we did not have a shutdown when Joe Biden was president. And the reason being, as a result of they did not play the type of video games that Republicans are enjoying. Joe Biden and Democrats, once we have been in control of the Senate, negotiated with Republicans and prevented shutdowns. This shutdown is going on as a result of Republicans are determined to guard their billionaire tax reduce. And all we’re asking – we’re not asking to repair all the American well being care system –
MARGARET BRENNAN: Sure.
SENATOR CHRIS MURPHY: We’re simply merely saying, do not make issues worse by elevating premiums by individuals, in some circumstances by $25,000 a 12 months.
MARGARET BRENNAN: However the minority chief gave an interview to “Punchbowl” this week. I imply, there’s simply additionally the naked bones politics of this. And in that interview he stated, “Each day this goes on, daily will get higher for us.” The speaker of the Home stated that was a callous assertion.
SENATOR CHRIS MURPHY: Properly, they’re – they’re type of desperately attempting to spin what Democrats are saying.
Pay attention, our precedence is the American individuals. And, sure, it’s true, as daily –
MARGARET BRENNAN: However you’ve got been vital of Schumer prior to now. Again in March, you have been saying, we have to face up and do one thing. Is that this concerning the tactic of simply saying, hey, we’re standing up?
SENATOR CHRIS MURPHY: No. As daily goes on there are extra Republicans which might be breaking with J.D. Vance and President Trump in saying, sure, we ought to be prepared to take a seat down and speak concerning the well being care disaster that’s about to go to this nation. There are extra Republicans which might be breaking with the president’s regime of censorship. So, as daily goes on, there are extra Republicans which might be prepared to face up and defend the American individuals, to attempt to cease the president’s destruction of democracy, and hopefully in some unspecified time in the future there can be sufficient Republicans to affix us and attempt to defend individuals’s pocketbooks, that are about to be destroyed – their financial livelihoods are about to be destroyed by these monumental improve in well being care prices.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Properly, however, within the meantime, there’s additionally the not – not getting a paycheck drawback for a few of these (INAUDIBLE).
SENATOR CHRIS MURPHY: The place is the Home of Representatives, Margaret? They’re on trip. The one method you possibly can resolve a shutdown is to have two events which might be in Washington negotiating. That is fairly easy. Republicans are boycotting negotiations. They’re within the witness safety program everywhere in the nation, refusing to even present up for work. In the event that they’re severe about sitting right down to reopen the federal government, they’d be in Washington, quite than unfold out everywhere in the nation.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Senator Murphy, thanks on your time.
SENATOR CHRIS MURPHY: Respect it.
MARGARET BRENNAN: We’ll be proper again.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: And we’re joined now by Connecticut Congressman Jim Himes. He’s the highest Democrat on the Intelligence Committee.
Good to have you ever right here.
You’re the Home lawmaker on the town. However – however I wish to speak to you about your intelligence portfolio.
“The Monetary Instances” is reporting proper now that the USA helps Ukraine to focus on Russian oil installations. In different phrases, hitting Russia proper in that pocketbook.
What are you able to say in regard to how the Trump administration is altering its coverage? Are they honestly now standing as much as Vladimir Putin?
REPRESENTATIVE JIM HIMES (D-CT): Sure, probably not, proper? We have heard now for months that we’re two weeks away, I believe that is the president’s terminology he used a number of instances now over many months from actually cracking down on Russia. And, after all, , there are bipartisan payments within the Congress proper now which might impose very extreme sanctions on the Russians that may do lots to cease the export of their oil, which, after all, is the gas that drives their warfare machine, the {dollars} that drive their warfare machine. These haven’t been moved ahead by the White Home. So, it is arduous to say that President Trump is doing something aside from what he is achieved endlessly when he was president, which is attempting to type of have it – have it each methods.
Now, I’ll say, and I am unable to get into explicit assaults or explicit authorities that the federal government has, however these assaults on the refineries have had the impact of lowering Russia’s capability to supply gasoline and different stuff virtually by 20 p.c. That basically, actually hurts the Russians. And I’ll let you know, once more with out being particular, that I want the president can be rather more aggressive with respect to turning off these faucets and with respect to arming the Ukrainians.
However he hasn’t taken any significant step again – steps again from the Biden administration. So, we have a minimum of received that.
MARGARET BRENNAN: So, it is not a lot that he is doing extra, it is that maybe he is liberating up extra to be achieved by the Ukrainian navy, not placing the identical restrictions on them that he had been? Is that honest to say?
REPRESENTATIVE JIM HIMES: Properly, once more, I do not wish to get – do not wish to get particular with respect to authorities.
MARGARET BRENNAN: OK.
REPRESENTATIVE JIM HIMES: However, , his rhetoric has all the time been skeptical of the Ukrainians, and bizarrely pleasant to Vladimir Putin. I am telling you that his actions up to now have been inadequate. By the best way, simply as Biden’s actions have been inadequate. However they have not been constant together with his very skeptical rhetoric. I have not observed a dramatic change, pull again, if you’ll, from the Biden administration with respect to our help o the Ukrainians.
MARGARET BRENNAN: I ask you as a result of Zelenskyy and Trump spoke twice prior to now 48 hours, which is notable.
Venezuela, there are near – the numbers we have seen are like 6,000 or so service individuals within the southern command area of operations. There have been 4 U.S. strikes on vessels. The U.S. says 21 individuals killed. You’ve got been asking for authorized justification from the administration to elucidate their actions. And you probably did it together with the pinnacle of International Affairs, Armed Providers, Judiciary, and Homeland Safety. Are you able to, in any method, compel extra info sharing so the U.S. is aware of what’s being achieved?
REPRESENTATIVE JIM HIMES: Sure, I imply –
MARGARET BRENNAN: (INAUDIBLE) public (ph), I ought to say.
REPRESENTATIVE JIM HIMES: One of many many troubling points about these deadly assaults within the Caribbean towards supposedly drug dealing boats, now, we do not know that as a result of, in contrast to our counterterrorism applications, the Congress just isn’t being instructed who’re on these boats, how they have been recognized, what the intelligence was. Completely completely different factor.
Congress is being instructed nothing on this. And that is OK, apparently, with the Republican majorities within the Home and the Senate. It isn’t OK with me.
I will depart a bit of little bit of a crack within the door right here as a result of, once more, the White Home has not shared what they consider their authorized justification is. They did put out a memo. I’ll let you know that based mostly on what I do know now and the studying of that memo, these are unlawful killings. They’re unlawful killings as a result of the notion that the USA – and that is what the administration says is their justification, is concerned in an armed battle with any drug sellers, Venezuelan drug sellers, is ludicrous. It would not arise in a single court docket of regulation. It is what –
MARGARET BRENNAN: They are saying they’ve designated them as terrorists, due to this fact they will use these (INAUDIBLE).
REPRESENTATIVE JIM HIMES: It would not matter. It would not matter. There’s tons of people that have been designated terrorists. That doesn’t robotically give the authority to take deadly motion.
So, their authorized justifications are laughable. And what – and once more, until they wish to share greater than what they’ve shared with me, these are unlawful killings. And what – what amazes me about that’s that the president, after all, due to this very compliant Supreme Court docket, has been given absolute immunity. However what concerning the secretary of protection? What concerning the deputy – what about everyone else in that chain of command, proper on right down to the man who’s pulling a set off that leads to the deaths of individuals with out clear, authorized authority, what about them?
Check me on this. It would not shock me if within the subsequent couple of years there are presidential pardons provided to that complete chain of command as a result of it’s not in any respect clear – nicely, it’s getting more and more clear that these are – that these are unlawful killings.
Setting apart the regulation for a second, Margaret.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Sure.
REPRESENTATIVE JIM HIMES: You already know, I do not know this as a result of they are not telling Congress something, however the press has all types of rumors that the primary assault was on a ship that had circled and was fleeing. Even when this have been a reputable, navy motion, which it is not as a result of the Congress hasn’t authorized it, , firing on a fleeing enemy can be a violation on our legal guidelines of armed battle. My Republican buddies are saying, however these are horrible individuals doing horrible issues. OK, I do not disagree with you on that, however are we now within the enterprise of killing people who find themselves doing unhealthy issues with out authority?
MARGARET BRENNAN: Do you – are you saying that these weren’t lawful orders?
REPRESENTATIVE JIM HIMES: Once more –
MARGARET BRENNAN: That, in actual fact, the navy was carrying – as a result of what we continually hear from our navy leaders is, don’t worry, our United States navy goes to be reliant on the Structure and solely perform lawful orders. Are you saying that these members of the navy, who have been the set off pullers, did one thing else?
REPRESENTATIVE JIM HIMES: I’m saying that to all appearances, these are unlawful killings. And you may get a thousand completely different legal professionals of each events on this present to let you know that at finest the authorized authorities are questionable.
So, I’m fascinated by why the chain of command is so assured that the deadly actions they’re taking are authorized.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Sure.
REPRESENTATIVE JIM HIMES: They do not look that technique to me. And it is a massive deal, proper? I imply, I perceive that proper now we’re in a really polarizing surroundings, so it may be very arduous for a Republican colleague of mine to make the statements that I’ve simply made.
However the worm (ph) turns, Margaret. You already know, in 1968, we prosecuted – convicted of homicide a lieutenant. Lieutenant Cali (ph), as a result of he and his unit killed most likely lots of of individuals in Meli (ph), in Vietnam, and there have been prosecutions after that. So, I am a bit of fascinated about why that chain of command is so snug endeavor killings simply because the Trump administration says, oh, it is OK. Not an administration that’s identified for his or her adherence to the regulation or to the Structure.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Sure. Properly, that may be a large matter, and I wish to proceed masking that with you. However I have to ask you as nicely concerning the shutdown and the price in your house state.
We noticed from simply USAA, which is a lender and a financial institution to many individuals who work for the federal authorities, they stated that they’ve had to supply $150 million in no curiosity loans to 4,500 individuals in simply over 48 hours. That is a money crunch for lots of people.
What’s taking place in Connecticut?
REPRESENTATIVE JIM HIMES: So, I imply, I will let you know a Connecticut story. The day after the shutdown went into impact, I went as much as see the Nationwide Guard at Windsor Locks Airport. We have been deploying 500 Connecticut Nationwide Guard members to the Center East. These have been 22, 23-year-olds. None of them are rich. None of them are going to receives a commission on October fifteenth. And I heard the vp in your present say that that is concerning the Democrats. The American individuals perceive that the Republicans management the White Home, they management the Senate, and so they management the Home. So, when the vp of the USA is saying, that is all about Chuck Schumer, who the American individuals rejected within the final election, I believe the American individuals see by means of that.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Properly, the White Home appears to be attempting to take that concern off the desk. The president posted on social media that they are going to repurpose funds one way or the other to pay the navy, a minimum of for this pay cycle. Is that sustainable? Is that authorized?
REPRESENTATIVE JIM HIMES: Properly, most likely not. Once more, we simply had a bit of dialog concerning the White Home’s understanding of United States regulation, which is – which is – which is fairly tentative to say the most effective.
The speaker of the Home, as a result of I believe to pay the navy throughout a shut down, would require laws. The speaker of the Home has taken that off the desk.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Because it has prior to now.
REPRESENTATIVE JIM HIMES: So, I imply, is Donald Trump going to say a bunch of stuff? Sure, he will say a bunch of stuff. However I do not see something transferring. The Home, as Senator Murphy identified, the Home is, , on trip. So, no, I do not see – assume that that is very probably.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Properly, the speaker says if the federal government wasn’t shut down, the navy can be getting a pay if Democrats voted for the quick time period funding invoice. However nobody’s working proper now, as you simply stated.
We’ll should proceed to trace this.
Thanks, Congressman Himes.
REPRESENTATIVE JIM HIMES: Thanks, Margaret.
MARGARET BRENNAN: We’ll be lack in a second.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: That is it for us at this time. Thanks all for watching. Till subsequent week. For “FACE THE NATION,” I am Margaret Brennan.
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